tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post8029041241234465120..comments2023-06-09T21:14:27.204+01:00Comments on J7: 7/7 Inquests Blog: 7/7 London Bombings: Eight Years On - Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy FactsThe Antagonisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-18212330026622056052015-07-12T21:38:33.707+01:002015-07-12T21:38:33.707+01:00,,,Since 2005 we have learned that the IRA and its...,,,Since 2005 we have learned that the IRA and its political wing, Sinn Fein, were infiltrated to the extent that as many as one quarter of its membership were in some way cooperating, collaborating—nay, conspiring—with the British police, army and security services.,,,<br /><br />this is totally bias ,, don't you also not think the same amount of legally binding British from those same departments were working cobalt for the Republicans ,?? ,, it works both ways ,, ask ian pasley ,,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-85334310563758726542013-09-03T16:17:42.341+01:002013-09-03T16:17:42.341+01:00Who is the unnamed colleague with whom Bob Lambert...<i>Who is the unnamed colleague with whom Bob Lambert established the Muslim Contact Unit?</i><br /><br />Was it <b>Jim Boyling</b><br /><br />From <a href="http://bristlingbadger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/bob-lambert-still-spying.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> (more links therein):<br /><br />"The relationship with Boyling was perhaps especially close, as BristleKRS <a href="http://bristle.wordpress.com/tag/dr-robert-lambert-mbe/" rel="nofollow">noted</a>:<br /><br /><i>Both <b>Boyling</b> and <b>Lambert</b> are accused of lying to courts to preserve their cover; both <b>Boyling</b> and <b>Lambert</b> duplicitously entered into sexual relationships with activists on whom they were spying; both <b>Boyling</b> and <b>Lambert</b> sired children by these women. Is this coincidence, or an indication of the nature of the training Lambert offered his protégés?</i><br /><br /><b>Their work together continued beyond infiltrating activists. After devoting the major part of their careers to undercover work they abruptly shifted focus, setting up the Muslim Contact Unit in January 2002</b>. This police outfit is aimed at building bridges with muslims and muslim communities. And maybe that's all it is.<br /><br />But if I were the police, wanting to have undercover officers in muslim groups in the wake of 9/11, I'd have to think of a new tactic. Having a legion of trained white folks wouldn't help me be surreptitious. So, what if they openly approached muslims as police but had this nice supportive role? They would then be well placed to identify people who could become a ring of informants. They would also be highly trained and very experienced at the tricks and tactics of gaining people's trust and making them confess things they want to keep secret.<br /><br />I have absolutely no evidence that's what the Muslim Contact Unit is. I just find it very peculiar that, <b>of all the available officers, they chose two of the country's most experienced undercover infiltrators to set up and run it.</b>"<br /><br /><br /><br />Rennaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-46585433700951102812013-07-09T22:49:14.879+01:002013-07-09T22:49:14.879+01:00From Lambert's St. Andrews profile
In January...From Lambert's <a href="http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~cstpv/staff/boblambert/boblambert.html" rel="nofollow">St. Andrews profile</a><br /><br /><i><strong>In January 2002, together with a colleague</strong> Lambert set up the Muslim Contact Unit (MCU), with the purpose of establishing partnerships with Muslim community leaders both equipped and located to help tackle the spread of al-Qaida propaganda in London. This role enabled him to participate in some pioneering and successful counter-terrorism community engagement projects. It also provided Lambert with opportunities to support Muslim community groups when they have faced Islamophobic attacks. In recognition he was presented with the first ‘Friends of Islam’ Award by Dr. Abdul Bari, chairman of the Muslim Council of Britain, at the annual Global, Peace and Unity event in November 2007 and a ‘Building Bridges’ award at Islam Expo in July 2008. In June 2008 he was awarded an MBE for his police service.<br /><br />In October 2005 Lambert embarked on a parallel academic project, researching key aspects of MCU partnership experience. In January 2010 he was awarded a PhD for The London Partnerships: an insider’s analysis of legitimacy and effectiveness in the Department of Politics at the University of Exeter. This followed a path of part-time academic activity: in 2004 he was awarded a distinction for his MA dissertation on early modern English encounters with Islam at Birkbeck College, University of London; and in 2002, 1st class honours for an inter-disciplinary European cultural history BA at the Open University.</i><br /><br />Who is the unnamed colleague with whom Bob Lambert established the Muslim Contact Unit?The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-38428250996346670102013-07-09T15:37:33.294+01:002013-07-09T15:37:33.294+01:00A copy of Alex Butterworth's FOI request:
The...A copy of Alex Butterworth's FOI request: <br /><a href="http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKIT/2009/EA_2008_0078.html" rel="nofollow">The Metropolitan Police v IC (Freedom of Information Act 2000) [2009] UKIT EA_2008_0078 (30 March 2009)</a><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-72435254454297622952013-07-09T14:23:19.379+01:002013-07-09T14:23:19.379+01:00Hmmm.
It appears that the Police officer referred ...Hmmm.<br />It appears that the Police officer referred to in Alex Butterworth's book above was none other than Lindsay Clutterbuck who now works for - wait for it - <a href="" rel="nofollow">The Rand Corporation</a>Wikispookshttps://wikispooks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-8685375882817190412013-07-09T13:33:14.066+01:002013-07-09T13:33:14.066+01:00Thank Rennald.
My observations on the Walsall Bomb...Thank Rennald.<br />My observations on the Walsall Bomb Plot relied principally on Alex Butterworth's "The World That Never Was" - a cracking and thoroughly recommended read. In his research for the book he submitted an FOI request to the MPS for access to specific ledgers covering payments to 'informers' during the plot period. He was told they "no longer existed". Soon after he came upon a doctoral thesis by an ex-MPI Superintendent, the contents of which made it clear that they DID exist. A further FOI request followed and was refused. An appeal against that decision was upheld and copies of the relevant ledgers finally released - But with ALL the relevant names redacted - so just dates code names and amounts. THAT is how paranoid (if that's the right word) our Lords and masters are. Getting genuinely honest, relevant information out of them on anything they deem 'sensitive', is next to impossible - even after 130 years!Wikispookshttps://wikispooks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-84486464307655685082013-07-09T00:18:37.341+01:002013-07-09T00:18:37.341+01:00Thanks Rennald.
Wikipedia starters:
- Jubilee P...Thanks Rennald.<br /><br />Wikipedia starters: <br /><br />- <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_Plot" rel="nofollow">Jubilee Plot</a><br />- <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Wheeldon" rel="nofollow">Alice Wheeldon</a><br />The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-36893218093493248702013-07-08T23:59:00.072+01:002013-07-08T23:59:00.072+01:00The main agent-provocateur in the Walsall Anarchis...The main agent-provocateur in the <a href="http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?act=ST&f=61&t=3301" rel="nofollow">Walsall Anarchists 'plot'</a> is known & was <b>Auguste Coulon</b>, it's just that the state hasn't admitted that such conspiracy facts exist. <br /><br />A special branch historian, Lindsay Clutterbuck, in his thesis: <i>'The Evolution of Counter Terrorism Methodology in the Metropolitan Police from 1829 to 1901, With Particular Reference to the Influence of Extreme Irish Nationalist Activity'</i> has documented the machinations of Coulon & others....<br /><br />Clutterbuck's thesis is <a href="http://www.investigatingtheterror.com/SS7-7/ClutterbuckThesis.pdf" rel="nofollow">one</a> for Wikispooks to host.<br /><br />Other plots now known to feature crown agent-provocateurs include the Jubilee Plot of 1887 & the Alice Wheeldon/Plot to kill PM Lloyd George of 1916.<br /><br />I doubt 'the state' has ceased such <i>modi operandi</i>these days.<br /><br /><br />Thanks for all your work, J7.Rennaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-24304139854759405482013-07-08T19:16:59.480+01:002013-07-08T19:16:59.480+01:00Stephen: All of the examples you list were planned...<b>Stephen</b>: All of the examples you list were planned for inclusion in the conspiracy facts detail, but the article was already quite lengthy and had to end somewhere. <br><br>We have a comment thread though, so thank you for expanding the list to include the Hillsborough conspiracy, the Azelle Rodney execution and cover-up conspiracy facts, the phone hacking conspiracy facts, the child abuse within the Catholic church conspiracy facts, and the conspiracy facts regarding <a href="https://antagonise.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/jimmy-savile-the-bbc-eric-gill-lessons-in-hiding-in-plain-sight" rel="nofollow">Jimmy Saville's crimes</a> while he was in extended employment with the BBC and high-faluting with royalty, prime minister's and other senior political figures. <br><br>Without looking too far, it looks like 'conspiracy facts' are to be found in many aspects of the daily news. <br><br><br><b>Wikispooks</b>: Thanks for the comment and praise for J7, and for pointing out that the infiltrators in the case of the Walsall Anarchists continue to remain unknown. <br><br>Thanks also for maintaining <a href="https://wikispooks.com" rel="nofollow">WikiSpooks</a>, a useful resource without which the aside about Lambert's Muslim Contact Unit might not have made it into the article.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-26158894288715762052013-07-08T13:45:45.334+01:002013-07-08T13:45:45.334+01:00First class stuff. But since the guardians of the ...First class stuff. But since the guardians of the state's sectrets stall cannot be persuaded to reveal the names of the accompices (suspected SB agent-provocateurs) to Walsaal bomb plot some 130 years later, I doubt that asking nicely will produce a better result for 7/7. <br /><br />You're doing a damn good job nonetheless. ThanksWikispookshttps://wikispooks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-350827144131011460.post-3828239995422728762013-07-08T12:17:44.111+01:002013-07-08T12:17:44.111+01:00I think it may be possible to add that evidence is...I think it may be possible to add that evidence is now coming to light concerning the true nature of the disaster that unfolded at Hillsborough, Sheffield, and that a police cover-up followed, coupled with a campaign to malign the citizens of the city of Liverpool by Press and politicians.<br /><br />I think the "unlawful killing" of Azelle Rodney seems to mirror the death of Jean Charles de Menezes, in that an ill-conceived police operation resulted in an unnecessary death and an attempt by police to control the resulting press coverage and Inquiry.<br /><br />That the police and Press seemed to be somehow "co-operating" in the hacking of the phones of Victims and celebrities (all in the name of profit, Oops! Public Interest).<br /><br />Everyone knew of the problems in the Catholic Church, but sacrificing the sexual health of minors to protect the reputation of the Institution seems to have extended to the secular BBC, with the exploits of Jimmy Saville coming to prominence.<br /><br />There is some talk of "limited Hangout Operative" being banded about concerning the revelations of Edward Snowden, but it looks like GCHQ has been co-operating with the US NSA to gather every scrap of communication produced by everyone and anyone, from everywhere and anywhere, for no good reason.<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />troubadourAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com